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Problem 194
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 9:23 am
by stijn263
When a problem I've suggested is published, should I wait with entering the correct the answer so to give other people a chance to compete for being the first ? It sounds reasonable, and I also have the feeling that this is happening since I doubt Robert suggested all the new problems (

), however I don't see any message (yet) saying it's polite to wait a while..
edit: Starting at post 8 you'll find some clarifications about problem 194
Re: new problems
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 10:01 am
by stijn263
Also, why is problem 194 solved by 12 people the very moment it is released
edit: I guess the solved by column is incorrect
Re: new problems
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 10:18 am
by euler
It was a symptom of the technical problems we had last week. I had to exchange all references for #194 to #193; it looks like I forgot that one. It should fix itself when the first person solves it.
Re: new problems
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 10:22 am
by sfabriz
I don't even understand the problem...

Re: new problems
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 10:23 am
by daniel.is.fischer
Yes, for problems you've proposed yourself, politeness suggests that you wait a while before you enter your answer. But once there are a few posts, it is perfectly understandable if you enter the answer to be able to view them.
Of course you have to guess when that is the case, so I'd say wait a couple of hours or so

Re: new problems
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 10:24 am
by daniel.is.fischer
sfabriz wrote:I don't even understand the problem...

Could you be more specific?
Re: new problems
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 10:30 am
by stijn263
For some reason I expected this problem this week. Am I correct that it wasn't published last week because of the pictures of the graphs?
Btw, couldn't you have published it at some horrible time like 1am or 5am. That would've made waiting a few hours before entering the answer a lot easier
What part is unclear, fabriz?
Re: new problems
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 10:32 am
by sfabriz
Well, I don't understand why the compound graph represents (2,2,6) or (2,2,4)...
Why not (2,2,5) or (2,2,n) where n is up to the number of vertices? If I have 20 vertices and I use 20 colors, I don't paint neighbours with the same color for sure.
I mean, given the graph I could use more than 6 colors to paint it... or not?
Also, I guess we can glue the A and B pieces together in different ways, like ABAB, ABBA, BAAB, and so on, right?
It's really akward, but I don't understand what I have to do...

Re: new problems
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 10:35 am
by stijn263
It represents a configuration of type (2,2,n) for n > 3, since it uses 4 colours. All configurations of (2,2,4) are also configurations of type (2,2,5) however (2,2,5) has even more configurations, namely those that use 5 colours.
You have to count all possible configurations of (25,75,1984). Each configuration consist of 25 times graph A and 75 times graph B. These are glued together in some way and then coloured using up to 1984 colours.
Re: new problems
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 10:39 am
by daniel.is.fischer
Stijn already posted the first part of my answer, so:
Yes, AABB, ABAB, BAAB all have type (2,2,x).
Re: new problems
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 10:51 am
by stijn263
euler wrote:It was a symptom of the technical problems we had last week. I had to exchange all references for #194 to #193; it looks like I forgot that one. It should fix itself when the first person solves it.
Yup, it's fixed

Congrats aleksey
Re: new problems ( + clarifications for 194)
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 10:53 am
by sfabriz
That (2,2,4) or (2,2,6) is misleading I guess. My first thought was: why not (2,2,5) or (2,2,7), and so on...
So I was looking for a good reason not to paint the compound graph with 5, 7 or more colors.
All right, thank you, I'll try to solve it.
When I saw 12 people solved it at 9.02 with the problem coming out at 9.00 I thought it was something like:
Given 2 natural numbers a and b let's define f(a,b) = a+b. Find f(11,13) ... or something like that...
Cheers,
sfabriz
Re: new problems ( + clarifications for 194)
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 10:55 am
by daniel.is.fischer
sfabriz wrote:
Given 2 natural numbers a and b let's define f(a,b) = a+b. Find f(11,13) ... or something like that...
Cheers,
sfabriz
Nah, that's too easy. Should at least be f(a,b) = a*b and f(37,61)

Re: new problems ( + clarifications for 194)
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 11:00 am
by stijn263
Daniel, perhaps something like this is more clear:
The compound graph above is an example of a configuration of type (2,2,4), in fact it's a configuration of type (2,2,n) for all n [ge] 4.
Re: new problems ( + clarifications for 194)
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 10:34 am
by tom314
I would ask for two clarifications:
"where the units are glued along the vertical edges as in the graph"
May unit B be rotated by 180 degrees ?
"so that no two adjacent vertices have the same colour"
Does it mean, that no two coloured points directly connected
by a line may have the same colour ?
Thank you very much in advance.
Re: new problems ( + clarifications for 194)
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 10:42 am
by sfabriz
tom314 wrote:I would ask for two clarifications:
"where the units are glued along the vertical edges as in the graph"
May unit B be rotated by 180 degrees ?.
I guess no. Stick with the example provided by the problem.
"so that no two adjacent vertices have the same colour"
Does it mean, that no two coloured points directly connected
by a line may have the same colour ?
Yes. If they share and edge (the line you talk about) they are adjacent vertices. In that case they can't be of the same color.
Cheers
Re: new problems ( + clarifications for 194)
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:55 am
by Georg
@tom314: No. Yes.
Re: new problems ( + clarifications for 194)
Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 9:43 am
by stijn263
problem 195 will be accessible friday morning right?
Re: new problems ( + clarifications for 194)
Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 11:14 am
by hk
Yep.
Just set it live, updated RSS feed and sent email notification.
Edit: email received.
Re: new problems ( + clarifications for 194)
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:19 pm
by Tommy137
When will the next problem be accessible?