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Problem 402
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:55 am
by Nadando
Can I get confirmation that S(10) = 1972 is correct? I get 1936 using several different methods.
Re: Problem 402
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:29 am
by TripleM
It is

Re: Problem 402
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:27 pm
by albert
I can't wrap my head around the exclusion of S(F1) from the sum.
As far as I can tell S(1) is perfectly well defined.
Do I miss something important here?
Groetjes Albert
Re: Problem 402
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:21 pm
by dugo
How do you read this out loud?
Also, define S(N) as the sum of M(a, b, c) for all ...
Re: Problem 402
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:41 pm
by Marcus_Andrews
Let N=3
S(3) =
M(1,1,1)+
M(1,1,2)+
M(1,1,3)+
M(1,2,1)+
M(1,2,2)+
M(1,2,3)+
...
M(3,3,1)+
M(3,3,2)+
M(3,3,3)
Re: Problem 402
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:15 am
by ffff0
albert wrote:I can't wrap my head around the exclusion of S(F1) from the sum.
As far as I can tell S(1) is perfectly well defined.
Do I miss something important here?
Groetjes Albert
I think it was excluded because F1=F2.
Re: Problem 402
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:27 am
by thundre
dugo wrote:How do you read this out loud?
Also, define S(N) as the sum of M(a, b, c) for all ...
Most of what you quoted is plain English. You'd normally read the functions as "ess of enn" and "emm of ay bee see". But it's more precise when written. If I was transcribing this for a blind PE participant, I would say "ess parentheses enn close parentheses".
Re: Problem 402
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:03 pm
by dugo
Thanks thundre. I never had classroom training in this kind of math, let alone in English. Parsing these problems in your head is a lot harder if you can't find the proper words.
Re: Problem 402
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:09 pm
by mctrafik
So totally hate this problem. Want to get that badge for the latest five. This is my last chance. Only got two days left. Grr. Sleepless nights. Hate number theory.
I'm losing my mind here. 0.o <- is what I look like.. unless it's this 0(-_-)0...z...Z....ZZZ...ZZz for like five minutes, then back to 0.o.
Anyway, can someone confirm that sum of s of fib of k to k = 6 is 1399. Just want to make sure I'm not taking crazy pills here. So if the problem statement is restated as C(N) = Sum
k = 2 ... N S(Fib
k), then find C(1234567890123) mod 10
9. I want to make sure C(6) = 1399
Also. I don't like this problem because after a couple of days I found the asymptotic answer. I can get you the first 9 digits but not the last

Hell. I can't even find S(10000). I'm missing something here.
Re: Problem 402
Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 1:22 am
by ffff0
I've got C(6)=1401=2+20+57+266+1056.
Re: Problem 402
Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 2:54 am
by mctrafik
Hm... I was suspecting that S(1) = 2 as the case where a = b = c = 1. I get the same numbers as you then. Damn it. I was hoping I was getting something wrong. Just can't see the pattern. Sadness.
Thank you.
Edit: then I guess C(15) = 601,313,396? Again. Hoping I'm off because this number is more out of whack than the others. Also largest I can compute under a minute.

Re: Problem 402
Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:13 am
by ffff0
C(15) is indeed 601313396.
I think it's not possible to find a pattern by looking at numbers. You have to work with formulas.